Thursday, August 29, 2013

Spot Buying Automated by Ariba Gives Start-Up Koozoo a Means to Shop Efficiently

Transcript of a BriefingsDirect podcast on how spot buying and the Ariba Network has given a startup firm a leg up on procurement needs.

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Dana Gardner: Hello, and welcome to a special BriefingsDirect podcast series coming to you from the recent 2013 Ariba LIVE Conference.

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We're here to explore the latest in collaborative commerce and to learn how innovative companies are tapping into the networked economy. We'll see how they are improving their business productivity and sales, along with building far-reaching relationships with new partners and customers.

I'm Dana Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, and I'll be your host throughout the series of Ariba-sponsored BriefingsDirect discussions. [Disclosure: Ariba is a sponsor of BriefingsDirect podcasts.]

Our next innovator case study focuses on how the spot-buying process is benefiting buyers and sellers, and how they're using the Ariba Network and Discovery to conduct tactical buying.

Here to explain the latest and greatest around how they have executed on agile procurement, we're joined by Ian Thomson, Koozoo’s Head of Business Development, based in San Francisco. Welcome, Ian.

Ian Thomson: Thank you, very much.

Gardner: First, Ian, tell us a little about Koozoo. What do you do? Why are you interested in buying and selling more stuff?

Thomson
Thomson: Koozoo is a technology company based in San Francisco, and we are the easiest way to share a live view with someone in particular or a broader community. We have built a very simple web application that converts your old smartphone into a geolocating webcam.

Gardner: What do you mean by "view." If I have upgraded my iPhone, and I have this old one, what would I use you to do with it?

Thomson: You would pull the old one out of your sock drawer, or whatever drawer that you have it in, and you dust it off. You go over to your WiFi network and download the Koozoo application, and that now makes your phone a webcam that you can stream and point to a website, if you had a website that you wanted to display it on, or on to the Koozoo site, where it could be private for your consumption.

On a personal level, it could be to make a baby monitor or something like that for a limited community, like a neighborhood watch group or merchant association that wanted to share their views or more broadly on the Koozoo community.

Happening around town

If you look at Koozoo, it looks like we're making equivalent of Google Street View, but live. Right now, we're limited to San Francisco, but were able to see what's happening around town.

Gardner: That’s really interesting. There is plethora of end devices that have cameras and WiFi, and you're able to then take advantage of that and give people the opportunity to innovate around the notion of either public or private streams. Is it just live stream? How can people just take a photo view every minute or six minutes, or anything like that?

Thomson: Not just yet, but that is certainly the direction we are moving in terms of building an ecosystem that allows you to make alerts for a certain movement or alerts when there are certain sounds that are anomalous, and are ones that you would want to record or see. But now, it's just an ambient streaming.

Gardner: So you're a startup -- resource constrained is, I believe, the way people would refer to that -- and you still need to buy and sell goods and services. When you were tasked with something that wasn’t a strategic, organized, or recurring type of purchase, how did you find what you needed, and how did Ariba factor into that?

Thomson: We're not really a buying organization per se. We're an engineering-based company. We have very few people and, when we need to buy something, it's usually something like walking over to Office Depot and picking up a couple of pencils, because we need pencils.
As I got smarter about what I needed, I was able to communicate that with the potential vendors.

Primarily, we had been looking at Amazon for that sort of purchase. As soon as we needed to purchase a few more things, we moved from pure retail to more of a wholesale sort of a buyer. We needed to buy more phones to do testing on. We looked at Alibaba and we looked at Amazon, primarily because I had only heard of those two, to buy larger quantity of used mobile phones in this case, because I wanted to take advantage of refurbished phones being more cost-effective for us for testing.

Gardner: You had a need for buying used end-point devices, mobile phones, smartphones, what have you. How did you find Ariba and how did you begin the process?

Thomson: Initially I found Ariba through an introduction. Somebody said, "If you're looking at Alibaba, why don’t you look at Ariba? It's more suitable for what you're looking for." And it certainly turned out to be the case.

Initially, we made that one purchase and subsequent purchases of mobile devices. It turned out to be a really good mechanism for doing some market analysis. I didn't know what I was buying. I'm not a mobile device expert, and I don’t come from consumer electronics.

I was able to learn about what it was I didn’t know and be able to iterate on my request for a purchase. I was able to iterate on that publicly, so that everybody got to see. As I got smarter about what I needed, I was able to communicate that with the potential vendors.

Sense of confidence

Gardner: Because we're here at Ariba LIVE, the conference, we've been hearing news from Ariba about spot buying as a capability they're investing in and delivering through their network and Discovery process. Is there something about having a pre-qualified list of suppliers that in some way benefited you or gave you a sense of confidence vis-à-vis going just on the open World Wide Web.

Thomson: I don’t mean to be disparaging, but that was a little bit of the experience on Alibaba. I did get a ton of responses that weren't necessarily qualified and they weren't qualified, because they hadn’t read my request very clearly. They were offering me something that clearly wasn’t supporting what I needed, but rather was supporting what they were trying to sell.

I had done some Google searches and tried to find vendors, whether it was for these used devices or for a specialized widget that I needed to have made and sourced. So doing that on Google was pretty tough, time consuming, and something that I wasn’t expert at.

I didn’t have the capability to ask the right questions. I didn’t even know whether I was in the ballpark of what expectations should be in terms of time for delivery, cost, or what an acceptable small batch really was, because initially I needed a small batch to test the product that I was developing.
I see how we could position our profile on Ariba Discovery to respond to inbound interest on that platform for something that we could solve.

Gardner: Since you've found Ariba, have you been using it for other procurement, and do you suspect that over time as you grow that more of that strategic buying capability might be of interest to you?

Thomson: Maybe. I don’t really see us ever becoming a very large buying organization. If we continue to develop this product, we already have a group of two or three suppliers that we've developed our relationship with over Ariba Discovery, which is the the spot buying platform that they have.

I don’t know if I necessarily would need more. I don’t know what our procurement needs are going to be moving forward. We're a little bit more interested in looking at it as a way to respond to potential leads. I'm on the sales side, not on the procurement side of our company.

As I look at moving forward, we do need to capture new leads. I see how we could position our profile on Ariba Discovery to respond to inbound interest on that platform for something that we could solve, whether that’s a surveillance system, a public safety system, or something like that. We would certainly be a very cost effective solution for that. So to be able to respond to inbound interest could be a very good place for us to go.

Gardner: So, it's a two-way channel. You were able to use Ariba Discovery and spot buying to find goods and services quickly and easily without a lot of preparation and organization, and conversely, there might be a lot of buyers out there using Ariba Discovery looking for a streaming capability and you would be popping up on their lists. Have you done that yet? What's the plan?

Product-development cycle

Thomson: That would be the hope, that there are a lot of people that want to buy it and use it. I haven't focused on that just yet. As a company, we're in a product-development cycle, not really in the business development sales cycle just yet. Ariba could be a very good way of figuring out what the market wants.

Gardner: So, it's not just a sales execution channel, but also a market research and business development channel, finding out what's available. You don’t know what people want, until you get it out in front of them, and of course, the spend for doing that through advertising or direct marketing is pretty daunting. Something like Ariba Discovery gives you that opportunity to do sales and research at no cost.

Thomson: It certainly does.

Gardner: Just to tease it out a bit more, because it's very interesting to me, did the devices that are supportive for you include the Android and iOS or are there others. If I wanted to download your app, what device would I need or at what prices would it be available to me?
You don’t know what people want, until you get it out in front of them, and of course, the spend for doing that through advertising or direct marketing is pretty daunting.

Thomson: Right now, we support the iOS suite, an iPad or an old iPhone, later than the 3GS generation. Before that, they didn’t have the necessary hardware components, the chip set, to support live streaming the way we do live streaming with encoding.

We are on some Android platforms, but Android is a very fragmented market, and as you develop toward Android, you have to keep that in mind. So we focus on certain platforms within the Android market first. As we define this product market fit, we will develop the app and then propagate the Android market.

Gardner: Well, very good to learn about you, and it's impressive on how you've been able to leverage spot buying, and there is the potential for you to have spot selling.

Thomson: Yes, sure.

Gardner: Great. We've been talking about the mounting need for spot buying and how a company in San Francisco, a startup has benefited from making this a new competency. Please join me in thanking our guest Ian Thomson, Koozoo’s Head of Business Development. Thank so much, Ian.

Thomson: Thank you.

Gardner: And thanks to our audience for joining this special podcast coming to you from the 2013 Ariba LIVE Conference in Washington D.C.

I'm Dana Gardner; Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, your host throughout this series of Ariba sponsored BriefingsDirect discussions. Thanks again for listening, and come back next time.

Listen to the podcast. Find it on iTunes. Download the transcript. Sponsor: Ariba, an SAP company.

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Wednesday, August 28, 2013

Advanced IT Monitoring Delivers Predictive Diagnostics Focus to United Airlines

Transcript of a BriefingsDirect podcast on how HP tools helped facilitate a giant airline merger that brought many IT systems and application together.

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Dana Gardner: Hello, and welcome to the next edition of the HP Discover Performance Podcast Series. I'm Dana Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, your moderator for this ongoing discussion of IT innovation and how it’s making an impact on people’s lives.

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Once again, we're focusing on how IT leaders are improving their services' performance to deliver better experiences and payoffs for businesses and end users alike, and this time we're coming to you directly from the recent HP Discover 2013 Conference in Las Vegas.

Our next innovation case study interview highlights how United Airlines demanded better performance and monitoring from IT -- and got it. We'll see how United not only had to better track thousands of systems and applications from its newly merged company, but it also had to dig deeper and orchestrate an assortment of management elements to produce the right diagnostic focus, and thereby reduce outages from hours to mere minutes.

We'll learn more about how United has gained predictive monitoring and more effective and efficient IT performance problem solving from our guest, Kevin Tucker, Managing Director of Platform Engineering at United Airlines. [Disclosure: HP is a sponsor of BriefingsDirect podcasts.]

Kevin Tucker: Thanks for having me.

Gardner: We're glad you're here. It seems that your situation could be easily summed up as an issue of scale. You have thousands of applications. You had major companies, big, big companies coming together, with Continental and United.

Tell me about how IT also was a scale issue. You're not only dealing with applications and platforms. You're dealing with IT staff, culture, and departments. Maybe you can help us understand the challenge that you faced as you tried to make things better and your performance improve.

Tucker: As you stated, the airline industry is one of the most complex IT environments in existence. I think it's really difficult for the average flyer to understand all of the logistics that have to happen to get a flight off the ground.

Tucker
There are millions of messages moving through the system, from weight and balance, to reservation changes. There's the Network Operations Center (NOC) that has to make sure that we're on time with slots. There are fuel concerns. We have to ensure that with all of the connections that are happening out there that, the flights that feed into our hubs carrying our passengers get in on time, so that folks can make their connecting flights.

Moving people around is a very serious business. I have had people say, "Why do you guys take it so seriously? You're not launching nukes, or you are not curing cancer." But at the end of the day, people are counting on us to get them from point A to B.

That might be the CEO that’s trying to go out and close a big business deal. It might be someone trying to get to see an ailing family member, or someone who's lined up for what could be a life-changing interview. It's our job to get them there on time, in a stress-free manner, and reliably.

Gardner: Back to the scale issue, it's obviously a daunting task, but to an IT department, what are you dealing with in order to pull all these resources together, to make the applications that really are what drive many of these processes?

Complex environments

Tucker: We've had a very challenging last couple of years. We recently took two large, complex IT environments and merged them. We picked some applications from Continental, some applications from United, and we had to make these applications interface with each other when they were originally never designed to do so. In the process, we had to scale many of these systems up, and we did that at an incredible pace.

Over and above that, with the complex challenges of merging the two IT systems, we had this phenomenon that's building in the environment that can't be denied, and that's the explosion of mobile. So it was really a perfect storm for us.

We were trying to integrate the systems, as well as stay out in front of our customer demands with respect to mobile and self-service. It became a daunting challenge, and it became very apparent to us going in, that we needed good vital signs for us to be able to survive, for us to be able to deliver that quality of service our customers come to expect from us.

From my perspective, I have several customer sets. I have the executives. We don’t really know how we're doing if we can't measure something. So we need to be able to provide them metrics, so that they understood how we were running IT.

I have the United employees, and that could be the line mechanic, to the gate agent, to the lobby agent. And then we have our flyers. And all of those people deserve reliable data and systems that are available at all times. So when you factor all of that in, we knew we needed good vital signs, so that we could ensure these applications were functioning as designed.
We brought HP to the table and told them that we don't want to be average. We want to be world-class.

We didn't get there as fast as we would like. It was quite a feat to integrate these systems and we landed on a collapsed Passenger Service System (PSS) system back in March of 2012. Unfortunately, given that we were a little late to the game, we had some tough days, but we rallied. We brought HP to the table and told them that we don't want to be average. We want to be world-class.

We created a battle plan. We got the troops energized. We deployed the power that's available to us within the HP Management Suite. We formed a battle plan and we executed that.

It wasn't without challenge, but we are very proud of the work that we've done in a very short period of time. Within an eight-month journey, we have gone from being average at best, to I think one of the best around, with the stuff we have gotten after.

So it can be done. It just takes discipline, commitment, and a will to be the best. I'm very proud of the team and what they've accomplished.

Gardner: Kevin, I like the way you refer to this as "vital signs." When you put in place the tools, the ability to get diagnostics, when you had that information at your fingertips, what did you see? Was it a fire hose or a balanced scorecard? What did you get and what did you need to do in order to make it more actionable?

Using all the tools

Tucker: We own quite a bit of the HP product set. We decided that in order to be great, we need to use all of the tools on our tool belt. So we had a methodical approach. We started with getting the infrastructure covered. We did that through making sure SiteScope was watching servers for health. We made sure the storage was monitored, the databases are monitored, the middleware components, the messaging queues, etc., as well as all of the network infrastructure.

What really started to shine the light on how we were performing out there, as we started rolling all of those events up and correlating them into BSM, was that we were able to understand what impact we were having throughout the environment, because we understood the topology-based event correlation. That was sort of the first model we went at.

You mentioned diagnostics. We started deploying that very aggressively. We have diagnostics deployed on every one of our Java application servers. We also have deployed diagnostics on our .NET applications.

What that has done for us is that we were able to proactively get in front of some of these issues. When we first started dabbling in diagnostics, it was more of a forensics type activity. We would use that after we were in an incident. Now we use diagnostics to actually proactively prevent incidents.
In many cases we have gotten many of those restorals down in under five minutes, where before it was way north of an hour.

We're watching for memory utilization, database connection counts, and time spent in garbage collection, etc. Those actually fire alerts that weave their way through BSM. They cut a Service Manager ticket, and we have automation that picks that Service Manager ticket up, assumes ownership, goes out and does remediation, and refreshes the monitor. When that’s successful, we close the ticket out, all the while updating the Service Manager ticket to ensure we're ITIL compliant.

In many cases we have gotten many of those restores down in under five minutes, where before it was way north of an hour.

Through the use of these tools, we have certainly gained better insight into how our applications are using database connections and how much time we're spending in garbage collection. It really helps us tune, tweak, and size the environments in a much more predictive fashion versus more of a guess. So that's been invaluable to us.

You're probably picking up on a theme that's largely operationally based. We've begun making pretty good inroads into DevOps, and that's very important for us. We're deploying these agents and these monitors all the way back in the development lifecycle. They follow applications from dev to stage, so that when we get to prod, the monitors we know are solid. Application teams are able to address performance issues in development.

These tools have really aided the development teams that are participating in the DevOps space with us.

Gardner: HP does have a lot of product on the development test and deploy side of things, and also a lot of management and capabilities on the production side. Is there something about the ability for HP to span across these activities that led you to choose them and how did you decide on them versus some of the other alternatives?

Clear winner

Tucker: When we merged and got through the big integration I spoke of last year, clearly, we were two companies. We had two products. It became very clear to us without a doubt that because HP's depth and width that they could provide us across stacks and within those stacks, being able to go up and down, they were the clear winner.

Then when you start further looking at, well, why are we reinventing the wheel once something gets to production. When you look at the LoadRunner scripts, VuGen scripts that are created back in the development and the quality assurance (QA) cycle. Well, those are your production monitors and it prevents us from having to perform double work, if you will.

That's a huge benefit that we see in the suite. When you couple that with the diagnostic type information I referred to, that's giving our development teams great insight way back in the development cycle. As you look at the full lifecycle, the HP toolset allows you to span development stage into production and provide a set of dashboards that allow for the developers to understand how their sets of service are running.

We were very quickly able to bring them on board, because at the end of the day, there's the human factor that sets in. What's in it for me? I hear you ops and engineering guys telling me we need to monitor your application, but when you peel it back, I'm harkening back to my days when I used to run software.

Developers are busy and when you show them value that the director of the middleware services or business services has a dashboard, he can go look at how his services are performing. They very quickly identify that value and they're very keen on not getting those calls at 3 o’clock in the morning.
There was no doubt in our mind as we started down our journey that the HP toolset just couldn't be rivaled in that space.

It's a slam-dunk for us, and as I say, there was no doubt in our mind as we started down our journey that the HP toolset just couldn't be rivaled in that space.

Gardner: You’ve been able to take problem times from hours to minutes. HP has recognized that, and you’ve won an award here at HP Discover. Tell me a little about that and how you are sharing some of the responsibility. You mentioned your team and you're proud of it.

Tucker: Yes, we're very proud of our accomplishment. We're living proof. We're in a complex, fast-moving industry. We were starting from much further behind than we would have liked to, and we bought off and believed in the tools. We used them partnering with HP and we were able to come a long way.

What really started moving the dial for us with respect to remediation time and lowering mean time to restore (MTTR) and drastically improving our availability is the use of diagnostics. It's automated restores for things that we can. We can't restore everything automatically, but if we can take the noise away so our operations teams can focus on the tough stuff, that's what it's all about with the BSM TBEC (Topology Based Event Correlation) views, the event-based correlation.

Before, as we were making our journey, we started very quickly getting good at identifying an issue before the customer called in. That was not always the case. And that's step one. You never want a customer calling in and saying, "I want to let you know your application is down," and you say, "Thank you very much. We'll take a look at that."

Very difficult

That shaves a few minutes, but honestly then the Easter egg hunt starts. Is it a server, a network, a switch, the SAN, a database, or the application? So you start getting all of these people on the phone, and they start sifting through logs and trying to understand what this alert means with respect to the problem at hand. It's very difficult when you have thousands of servers and north of a thousand applications spread across five data centers. It's just very difficult.

Through the use of correlated views, understanding the dependencies, and the item within the infrastructure that's causing the problem turning red and bubbling up to the other applications that are impacted, allows us to zero in and fix that issue right off the bat, versus losing an hour of getting people on checking things to figure out is it them or is it not.

So through automating what can be automated with restore and having the event-based correlation that is what caused our operational performance we go from what I would call maybe a D- to an A+.

Gardner: Congratulations on the award. It's very impressive. Let's also talk about some other types of paybacks. From the investments you make, you're getting payback in terms of your brand being better preserved, customer satisfaction, speed, and performance. When people click and they can buy a ticket, that's revenue, and that’s very clear to measure.
It's allowed us to step back and start working on engineering with respect to how we utilize our assets.

But it seems to me that this lifecycle approach across DevOps, puts you in a better position to avail yourself of things like hybrid cloud models, where you need to move workloads to other types of environments or security, where now you are able to look in your systems when there is an event correlation that has a security issue attached, rather than just performance, or both.

Are you really now in a better position to move into some other areas around the types of the environments for your production, as well as security or maybe there are some others that I haven’t thought of that you're now able to pursue because of what you've been doing?

Tucker: As we've matured and have insight into our environment with metrics, we're able to stop the firefighting mode. It's allowed us to step back and start working on engineering with respect to how we utilize our assets. With all of this data, we now understand how the servers are running. We understand, through getting engaged early in DevOps with some of the rich information we get through load testing and whatnot, we're able to size our environments better.

As part of that, it gives us flexibility with respect to where we place some of these applications, because now we're working with scientific data, versus gut feel and emotion. That's enabling us to build a new data center and, as part of that, we're definitely looking at increasing our geographic disbursement.

The biggest benefit we're seeing, now that we have gotten to more or less a stable operation, is that we're able to focus in on the engineering and strategically look at what our data center of the future looks like. As part of that, we're making a heavy investment in cloud, private right now.

We may look at bursting some stuff to the public side, but right now, we're focused on an internal cloud. For us, cloud means automated server build, self-service, a robot that’s building the environment so that the human error is taken out. When that server comes online, it's an asset manager, it's got monitors in place, and it was built the same way.

Now that we are moving out of the firefighting mode and more into the strategic and engineering mode, that's definitely paying big dividends for us.

Gardner: Very good. I'm afraid we will have to leave it there. We've been learning about how United Airlines has demanded better performance from its IT organization and has gotten it. And we've seen how they have orchestrated an assortment of management elements to produce the right diagnostic focus and reduce outages from hours to mere minutes.

So join me in thanking our guest, Kevin Tucker, Managing Director of Platform Engineering at United Airlines. Thank so much.

Tucker: Thank you. It’s great to be with you.

Gardner: And thanks you to our audience for joining this special HP Discover Performance Podcast coming to you from the HP Discover 2013 Conference in Las Vegas.

I'm Dana Gardner; Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, your host for this ongoing series of HP sponsored discussions. Thanks again for joining, and come back next time.

Listen to the podcast. Find it on iTunes. Download the transcript. Sponsor: HP.

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Thursday, August 22, 2013

Combining Big Data and Cloud Capabilities for ECommerce Matches Buyers and Sellers Like Never Before

Transcript of a BriefingsDirect on how a mid-market company saw immediate results from participation in Ariba Discovery, eliminating the need for mailing half a million catalogs a year.

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Dana Gardner: Hi, this is Dana Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, and you're listening to BriefingsDirect. Today, we present a sponsored podcast discussion on ways that businesses are using cloud and e-commerce to improve how they do sales, marketing, and online transactions.

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We'll examine how one company, Ohio-based LLT Barcode & Label, has found powerful new ways to develop sales and leads using Ariba Discovery.

To learn more about how social tools and business networks are reshaping eCommerce and how companies like LLT Barcode & Label is using the cloud to better connect with new customers, please join me in welcoming our guests today.

We're here with Rachel Spasser, Senior Vice President of Marketing at Ariba, an SAP Company, and Kris Hart, the Account Manager at LLT Barcode & Label in Stow, Ohio. Welcome, Rachel and Kris. [Disclosure: Ariba is a sponsor of BriefingsDirect podcasts.]

Kris Hart: Hi. How are you doing today, Dana?

Rachel Spasser: Thanks, Dana. Glad to be here.

Gardner: Rachel, this whole concept of finding customers, developing leads using cloud, using the networked economy and how people are linked up now more-and-more has become a function of the data that people are able to access.

Tell me a little bit about how things have changed, say now, versus five years ago, in terms of just connectedness, and how this is now being brought to bear on an age-old problem, which is finding sellers for buyers, and buyers for sellers?

Spasser: We're talking about major changes that have gone on in the past few years. If you think about the mantra around marketing, it's always been to make yourself, your product, and your company relevant to potential buyers.

Spasser
Ten or 15 years ago, as the Internet was really coming into its own, it provided significantly more data that helped us understand demographically, and a little bit behaviorally, who our customers were and what they were doing.

When we talk about the networked economy, business networks, and connected commerce we're really taking that to a whole other level, where as marketers, we're able to hyper-target, our potential customers not just on their demographics, but also be able to predict when they're going to be ready to buy.

They overtly raise their hand and say, "Hey, I'm interested in buying by a connected RFI or RFQ process." But we can also analyze the myriad data that's available today and put both unstructured data and structured data together in a way that helps us predict when they are going to be ready to buy. That's when we can actually present them with compelling offers. So it really does change the whole nature of the game.

What's appealing?

Gardner: Kris Hart, do you really care whether it's the cloud or the networked economy, or whether it's structured or unstructured data? What appeals to you in all this in terms of the change that's going on?

Hart: In general, you don't really care one way or another how you get it. the cloud and e-commerce makes everything a lot easier, not just for the seller, but also the buyer. It really helps with the relationship, and being on the cloud is much simpler, faster, and easier.

Gardner: Tell us a little bit about LLT Barcode & Label, so that we have a better understanding of your business, the vertical, the challenges that you face in terms of growing your business, and finding new customers?

Hart: We started about 16 years ago. It was a small company, and we're still a small company, where it's hard to get out in front of buyers. When we started, we would send out about a half-million catalogs a year. Those catalogs have inside them labels, thermal transfer ribbons, and laser labels, and items like mobile computers and printers to be able to print those items.

Hart
We started out as a small company, basically a distributor for a company that needs to ship a label via FedEx, UPS, or however. They need a label on that box to be able to ship their product. So as far as vertical markets go, if you name a company, they have to ship something, and they'd be able to use that.

So we play in every single market out there. We gross roughly about $12 million a year and we have about 15 people who work for us.

Gardner: So, you're a mid-market firm, with potentially a very wide addressable market with anyone that's doing shipping and delivery activities. How did you do lead generation and sales and marketing before you started the cloud methods that seemingly have been so successful?

Hart: The way we started is that we would have a lot of catalogs printed with our most popular items and then we would buy lists from Hoover’s, or somebody like that, and we would send out half a million catalogs a year.

We were hoping that everyone who got one of those catalogs would call us and want to buy something. But that's not the case, and over the past 15 years, that return on investment (ROI) has gone down significantly.

We started out as a catalog company, and now the catalog companies are, in a sense, dying or aren't as successful by and large. So we had to find new ways to grow our business.

Gardner: Correct me if I am wrong, but that was mostly you pushing your message into some other organization, with not a lot of pull necessarily. It seems to me that you would want a little of both, the pull and the push. How did the cloud change that equation?

Internet has helped

Hart: The Internet has really helped. A lot of people at home are using sites like Amazon.com and eBay and they're getting used to just looking on the Internet when they need to buy something.

When they go into work, because it's so easy at home, they want to be able to do the same thing. It's a win-win for both sides. We don't have to print lots of catalogs every year, and they can just find us on our website or search engine via Google, Bing, whatever.

Gardner: Why wasn't it just creating website and being part of the massive index that Google and other search engines use? Why was it better moving towards a structured cloud environment, an e-commerce cloud, a networked economy approach like Ariba Discovery? Why was that different?

Hart: The biggest thing with Ariba Discovery is that it's very much like match.com. We wanted to be in front of buyers when they were ready to place an order. We wanted to be that company that that person on the other end is going to come search for, see us, and give us an opportunity for their business.

If I walk in in the morning, I already have leads there. I already have an opportunity with a buyer who knows what they're looking for. They're out there on Ariba Discovery, asking me, "Can you help me?" That's a lot easier than like the catalog theory, hoping that someone runs across your website.
You know automatically what that buyer is looking for and where that buyer is.

You know automatically what that buyer is looking for and where that buyer is, and hopefully within a couple of sentences, a couple of conversations with them, you can figure out when they need to buy.

Gardner: Back to you, Rachel. When you hear Kris describing how they’ve come to these new approaches, what are you thinking? What is it that occurs to you?

It seems to me that he is talking about an ability for a mid-market company to scale down to the individual. It's pretty impressive, the granularity with which commerce could happen. Not only that, but at the scale of a global marketplace, it's kind of fascinating that it’s both downscale and upscale at the same time.

Spasser: It is, and I think if you listen to what Kris said, the Internet has enabled business to be done faster and for him to find new customers faster and more efficiently.

But where the business networks really differentiate themselves from the Internet as a whole is that there is a common platform, where both buyers and sellers are going to connect and find very specific commodities or services that meet their specifications. Creating a platform that enables them to get to that level of granularity enables them not just to conduct commerce faster, but conduct commerce smarter.

More and more data

As we look at the value of the business networks, over the course of time, these networks are, in essence, aggregating more and more data and insights that ultimately help companies like LLT Bar Code in that mid-market that want to do business globally. At the same time, it helps global buyers that want to buy, for various reasons, from companies that are either local suppliers, from companies that might have green initiatives, women-owned business, or diverse-owned business.

So there are a lot of different criteria that go into determining who you want to buy from or sell to. The beauty of the business network is that it gives you the ability to both get insight and get a lot of information on the buyer or the seller, and to connect based on very, very specific criteria.

Gardner: Kris, one of the things that’s interesting in comparing a web-based open-Internet approach to something more standardized is speaking the same language, data, metadata, taxonomy. It might be one thing for you to put up information on your website, but somebody who's searching, or even the search engine algorithms, might not understand the importance of certain terms and lingo.

Is there something about going into environments dedicated to buying and selling, where you can actually line up the right information, description, indexing and terms, or even just the way of doing business, the process behind doing business? Tell me how a common understood business-oriented environment has helped with your results as well?

Hart: Well, with Ariba Discovery it’s great. They have postings for all sorts of commodities and items that a buyer may be looking for. A buyer can check them off on his screen and then send out an RFQ.
With Ariba Discovery it’s great. They have postings for all sorts of commodities and items that a buyer may be looking for.

The nice thing about having that similar platform is that I set up a profile. I select specific commodities of the types of business and the items that we operate in. With that, a lead is automatically given to me. The buyers are looking for specific things, and it may be in his own terms or maybe a little bit different than how he may search it on the Internet and possibly miss us.

I can take my list of commodities and then it will be automatically generated. It’s going to come pretty close. He is going to be right there for me to be able to respond to whether or not we can help them, yes or no.

Gardner: So those hit-or-miss semantic issues that are certainly part of the Web are fixed and amended. Your semantic matchmaking, as you put it earlier, is automated and therefore that probably makes this a lot more powerful. Tell me how powerful. What are some examples of what’s happened when you have gone to Ariba Discovery for lead generation and new market penetration?

Hart: We started looking at Ariba Discovery in late 2011. We were trying to find some other way to gain new customers and to grow the business. We decided on Ariba Discovery in January of 2012. There were a couple of RFPs out there, and I thought, "Why not give it a shot?"

So we respond to a couple, and the first RFQ that I had responded to was for some blank labels and a couple of colored labels. A couple of weeks later I get an email from the client that had posted the RFQ, and they want us to bid on their entire distribution, labels, ribbons, and shipping items.

Too good to be true

And after going through their process of RFQs, add-in items, pricing, and everything else, we won about a $400,000 deal via Ariba Discovery. That was for a two-year contract, and that was the first one. It was almost too good to be true.

The great thing about it was that we started in the middle of January, when I responded to the RFQ and we had the contract and everything signed and they were buying from us in April. Very quick process.

Gardner: What was your cost in acquiring this customer?

Hart: With Ariba Discovery, you can use Ariba Discovery for free or you can use the Mid-Level or the Advantage. And we decided to go with the Advantage.

That had some other benefits with the profile and things of that nature and it was only $3,000. We decided to take some of our marketing budget and put it into that and at least give it a shot. We were more than happy. We got our ROI right-away, and it's a much better and simpler process than sending out a half a million catalogs a year.

Gardner: Absolutely. Rachel, again reacting to what Kris has said, are we missing anything in this equation? I'm interested in this semantic match-up that takes place, the data, and how this can be automated. Kris is obviously talking about strong ROI. Is there more to the story here that we’re missing in terms of how buyers and sellers are matching up in new ways?
You’re not wasting your time. You’re not sifting through a lot of unqualified opportunities as the seller.

Spasser: We love to hear stories like Kris’ about immediate ROI. And we hear them over-and-over again from suppliers on the network.

One benefit, as we talked about, is the ability to define very specific criteria as a seller as to what you sell, so that when you do get posts that are directed to you, you know that they're relevant to you. You’re not wasting your time. You’re not sifting through a lot of unqualified opportunities as the seller. And the benefit to the buyer is the same.

As the buyer posts, their posts are being sent to people who are all qualified, who all have the ability to meet the specifications that they have created. Therefore, it's saving a lot of time on their part as well. When you look at the two-sided model, it really is a win-win both for the buyer and the seller within the network.

One of the hidden pieces of gold within the network is the data that's created over time from all of this transactional information, as well as data that is created individually from buyers and seller. They're providing information on ratings and reviews of how quickly they got paid, if they're a seller, by a particular buyer. Or it's the reverse, how accurate and on time deliveries are if you’re a buyer looking at a seller.

So, the unstructured information, combined with a lot of structured data, is creating an opportunity to make much better matches and have buyers and sellers that are much more informed about one another as they enter into business relationship.

We all know the more that we understand and have well-defined expectations of our business partners, the more effective those relationships are over the course of time.

Some structure

Gardner: Kris, you've obviously been exploiting and enjoying benefits from the discovery aspects of the Ariba network in the cloud. But, beyond the actual finding of that customer, that customer might have many years of business to be had and there needs to be perhaps some automation or structure around that relationship.

Have you been able to find that the services around process for procurement, automating the invoicing and PO process, the data, even the transactions. Is there sort of a progression here that, once you've established a connection with a customer, there are other ways to exploit these services and make that a more efficient customer relationship?

Hart: Yeah, it's funny that you bring that up. Right now, that particular customer has gone to Ariba for some other items that they are going to start using for procurement and different items like that. What we're hoping is that once that process takes over, then we can be in the supplier network and possibly even set up e-catalogs for them and make their process a whole lot more efficient and easier.

That way, if they have any transition in buyers, someone is on vacation, or anything like that, there are no questions about the items that they purchased from us. There are no questions on the pricing, on who to send the purchase orders to, or anything like that. It's all handled by Ariba.
You can now start connecting with multiple buyers via the network, which enables you to create even greater efficiencies.

Hopefully, we'll be able to set up a catalog, and they'll be able to smoothly purchase from us. It already helps us being on the supplier network and then them hopefully getting ramped up and making everything a whole lot more smooth.

Gardner: Rachel, it seems as if Discovery is an important part of this, but it's really kind of the point on the arrow. There's a lot of wood behind that in terms of more streamlining and more efficiency. How are the new services being brought to bear on helping mid-market companies like LLT extend their benefits beyond the lead generation into the whole e-commerce lifecycle?

Spasser: It's great to hear Kris talk about the benefits as it relates to efficiency from a process perspective on the network. One of the other benefits of setting up a catalog to do business with that one buyer on the network is that now you have the catalog set up on the network.

As you get additional buyers, you're using the same catalog and the same infrastructure. You can now start connecting with multiple buyers via the network, which enables you to create even greater efficiencies as a mid-market seller who may have limited resources within the company to issue and reconcile invoices.

The efficiency of setting up one relationship is the starting point. There is much more efficiency as you start to establish more-and-more relationships as a seller over the network. But there are other services that we offer over the network that also create value, and one example is our Dynamic Discounting Program.

For example, as a seller on the network if you would like to get paid faster from one of your buyers, you can offer different payment terms. Let's say your contract is a net-60 payment term, and you’d like to get paid faster because you’d like to make some capital investments in your company. You could offer to provide a discount for a net-10 payment.

Discount terms

We have many mid-market suppliers who have offered those discount terms to their buyers, so that they can self-fund growth for their own companies. That's yet another benefit of doing business on the network.

The third major benefit is the visibility and predictability that you have in relationship with the customer. At any point in time, as a seller on the network, you can go in and see the status of where your order stands, where your payment stands, or whether your invoice has been approved for payment.

It gives you a lot more visibility, and therefore predictability, as a mid-size business, into things like cash flow. You can anticipate when you're going to get paid, instead of having to pick up the phone 16 times and say, "When is the check is going to come? Have you approved the invoice?"

So there's efficiency, visibility, and predictability, and then there is the opportunity to impact cash flow by using some of the more sophisticated tools like Dynamic Discounting to speed up payment.

Gardner: Rachel, Tell me a little bit about some of the future roadmap that Ariba is embarking on around a wider, deeper, richer basket of goods and services.
So there's efficiency, visibility, and predictability, and then there is the opportunity to impact cash flow by using some of the more sophisticated tools like Dynamic Discounting to speed up payment.

Spasser: One of the things that we are doing, really focused on the lead generation side, is expanding the services that we offer around Ariba Discovery that can help companies like LLT Barcode & Label find new customers worldwide.

Related to that is the ability to create multiple profiles that are very highly targeted. So for the various products that LLT Barcode & Label offers, they could create a profile unique to different industries. Or if there are different industry requirements around labels and barcodes, they can create very specific, targeted profiles that really make them extremely relevant to buyers within various industries.

Another service that we are offering is what we are calling "Sellers You Might Like," and that's the ability to based on what someone is searching on proactively suggest sellers that meet their criteria.

So even if a buyer does a search and doesn't necessarily click on a particular supplier, if that supplier meets those criteria from an algorithm perspective, that suppler will be proactively suggested, especially if that supplier has received high ratings and reviews from other buyers on the network.

So there are couple of new services that are being offered from the Discovery side that will really accelerate the ability for mid-market companies like LLT Barcode & Label to grow their business and expand the value that they get from using the Ariba network.

How to get started

Gardner: I'm afraid we're just about out of time, but Kris, I wonder if you might have any 20-20 hindsight, based on your experiences so far, that you could offer to other people who are looking to get started on this cloud-based, commerce and lead generation activity.

How do you get started? What would you recommend for others as they embark on this?

Hart: Definitely give it a shot. Set up a free profile and start getting some leads generated, something that comes your way. Definitely make sure you're in the right commodities. Don't start clicking boxes for commodities that you can't offer. That way, your leads are more precise and more ready to go Then see what happens for free.
Definitely give it a shot. Set up a free profile and start getting some leads generated.

If you want extra help and a little bit better outreach with the marketing profile, go up the next step or even all the way to the top like we did. We saw the benefits and doing that with the marketing help that we have from Ariba and how to use the Discovery tool. As I said, that paid off for us, but definitely give it a shot. If nothing else, just set up a free profile and see where that takes you.

Gardner: All right. Well I'm afraid we'll have to leave it there. You've been listening to a sponsored BriefingsDirect podcast discussion on ways that businesses are using cloud and e-commerce to improve how they do sales, marketing, and ultimately online transactions.

We've seen how one company Ohio-based LLT Barcode & Label, has found a highly effective way to develop new sales and leads using Ariba Discovery. So let's thank our guests, Kris Hart, Account Manager at LLT Barcode & Label. Thank you so much, Kris.

Hart: Thanks a lot. I appreciate it, Dana.

Gardner: And also Rachel Spasser, Senior Vice President of Marketing at Ariba, an SAP Company. Thank you, Rachel.

Spasser: Thanks, Dana. I appreciate the opportunity.

Gardner: This is Dana Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions. Thanks a lot to our audience for listening, and don't forget to come back next time.

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Monday, August 19, 2013

VMware vCloud Hybrid Service Powers Journey to Zero-Cost Applications Support for City of Melrose

Transcript of a BriefingsDirect podcast on how one municipality has broadened its own IT infrastructure to become a managed-service provider for other cities and towns.

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Dana Gardner: Hi, this is Dana Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, and you're listening to BriefingsDirect.

Gardner
Today, we present a sponsored podcast discussion on how a small city outside of Boston has embraced hybrid cloud computing to host not only its own applications, but also those of nearby communities. In doing so, the City of Melrose, Massachusetts, plans to reduce the cost of supporting its applications to perhaps zero -- and maybe even generate revenue -- as a specialized managed-services provider.

To learn more about this early adopter municipality approach to cloud computing, and how they transitioned from nearly 100 percent server virtualization to a novel cloud capability built on VMware vCloud Hybrid Service (vCHS), please join me now in welcoming our guests. We're here with Jorge Pazos, the Chief Information Officer in the City of Melrose. Welcome, Jorge. [Disclosure: WMware is a sponsor of BriefingsDirect podcasts.]

Jorge Pazos: Thank you.

Gardner: We're also here with Colby Cousens, IT System Administrator in the City of Melrose. Welcome, Colby.

Colby Cousens: Thank you.

Gardner: Jorge, let me start with you. As you looked to extend the benefits of server virtualization, what were some of the top requirements as a CIO for moving to cloud and hybrid-cloud infrastructure?

Pazos: A lot of this is driven by both challenges that we face and opportunities that we see. Like you said, we're an IT department for a mid-size town in Massachusetts. We offer services to all of our internal departments and we're beginning to grow out into a managed-service provider. Part of what we're looking to do internally is grow that managed-service provider part of the business, but then also take care of a lot of the day-to-day stuff.

Pazos
If you think about building a data center, which is what we did about three or four years ago, it was a top-to-bottom upgrade of our data center. One of the things that you immediately start to think about is your disaster recovery (DR). When you're a small municipality with five square miles, where do you put a DR site that gives you diverse power providers, and geographical diversity?

It doesn't make sense to invest heavily in a DR site that’s somewhere within the same town. So we were really looking to cloud-service providers to provide that for us. That was one of the big drivers for us, and we really didn't feel comfortable growing the business too much without having at least that capability somewhere, as part of our service offering.

Gardner: When you were looking for a DR capability that opened up your eyes to what hybrid cloud was capable of. Was that the beginning of seeing more than the virtualization benefits of being able to replicate workloads and have elasticity and look to optimization benefits beyond your on-premises server?

DR site

Pazos: We really wanted to have a fully functional DR site, and we looked at a lot of the cloud service providers. This isn’t a point-in-time perspective. This is something that we've been doing over the last three or four years.

Three or four years ago, there weren’t a whole lot of cloud-service providers that we felt could do what we were looking to do. So when we had this opportunity to participate in the beta for the vCHS, we were really excited. There was quite a bit of promise in it for us in terms of things that we felt were important, like interoperability, security,  performance, and things like that.

And after the launch actually one of the things that we are pretty excited about that we didn't see in the past was cost predictability, which we don't really see a whole lot from a lot of the other service providers.

Gardner: I'm sure if you are going to embrace a hybrid-cloud model, and test and evaluate a product like be vCHS, you might recognize that if you do this first, you've learned the lessons and acquired skills. How did that idea come about to take this into this extension of what other municipalities would be seeking?

Pazos: It’s not that big of a stretch, when you think about it. What we're doing is providing services to other cities and towns. That is what we do on a day-to-day basis in one municipality. The way that municipalities are run, especially from an IT perspective, there isn’t a great deal of diversity. We could pretty much run IT for almost any city or town, because the apps are very similar and the business processes are all very similar.

It’s not that big of a stretch to get to that point where you say, "I can do this for another city or town." That was actually the thought process several years ago, as we started to do our own internal consolidation. The idea was that if we do it for ourselves, why can’t we do it for others. It’s not that much of a leap to get there.

Cousens
Cousens: We can get some practice consolidating city and school networks and data centers and realize it's the same thing. We could do it with other the municipalities as well.

Gardner: Colby, that was going to be my question. What requirements did you have in terms of what was needed in order to make this possible if you were going to integrate and consolidate with the cloud infrastructure approach for different divisions within your town? Sure, you can extend that to other municipalities, but what was important for you to be able to do that in terms of the solutions available?

Cousens: Compatibility was the biggest issue for me. I didn’t want to run into any roadblocks with software or hardware that wouldn't work with each other, so we would have had to drop the project just because two things wouldn't connect.

Gardner: Let’s get a sense of what we're dealing with here in terms of your scale and your size. Tell me about Melrose, the applications, the number of users, and your infrastructure. What are we talking about in terms of IT organization?

Modest deployment

Pazos: It is a fairly modest deployment by service provider standards, but I think by municipal standards, we're decent size. Currently, we're at about 70 virtual machines (VMs) with 30 terabytes of storage. We connect our regional partners the way that we connect these communities, Essex is about 30 miles away, and Saugus is a direct neighbor. To connect these guys back to our data centers, we use an ENS circuit, which is basically a Layer 2 connection between the two sites that can be ramped up.

They come up in base of 10 Mbps and then they can go straight up to a 10 Gbps . We run several SQL databases, which includes our financial system. We run Microsoft Exchange, Public Safety Dispatch. There is a CAD, Computer Aided Dispatch/Records Management application, and database. We also have virtual desktops. Our entire emergency dispatch operations are all running on virtual desktops, as well as point of sale for virtual desktops.

So we run quite a few different apps, many of which are obviously pretty mission critical, and the demand is growing. We are going to be on-boarding Saugus through the summer and into the fall. So we'll be experiencing some growth through that process as well.

Gardner: Just for our audience, Essex and Saugus are also municipalities in Massachusetts, and you have been experimenting and bringing them on, so that they become paying customers to you. Do you think it is possible at some point that you're going to cover your IT cost by doing this managed-service provider business.
I also think that the services we offer to the city are better because of our equipment.

Pazos: Early on, it got to a point where we couldn't do it, but it looks to me like now we're potentially going to be in a position where maybe five or six additional clients get us to the point where we are revenue neutral to the city. That's looking a little bit more realistic for us in terms of both getting people to warm to the idea and also being able to support it.

Revenue neutral would be absolutely fantastic. If you're taxpayer in the City of Melrose and you can have a department that offers all of its services internally and be completely revenue neutral, I would be ecstatic about that.

Cousens: I also think that the services we offer to the city are better because of our equipment. Our refresh schedule is better. The stuff that we're using is more enterprise grade, because we're using it in the hosting environment and providing to a number of partners.

Gardner: Let's look at the equation of how the economics of this work from the perspective of your client municipalities, for lack of a better word. When Essex and Saugus evaluate this, are they going to be able to get their IT services from you cheaper and with a higher performance than they would have been able to do it themselves?

Pazos: There are two ways to look at that. Town of Essex has reduced their IT expenditures by 33 percent year over year. So they're immediately seeing savings every year. The story in the Town of Saugus was a little bit different. They had an IT department that had inherited infrastructure that was getting old and needed to be refreshed. They were able to buy into the service and not have to incur a large upfront cost of doing a forklift upgrade of their entire IT infrastructure.

Year-to-year savings

They're saving, year one, somewhere in the vicinity of about $80,000 or just north of $75,000. Then, there's the year-over-year savings that they're seeing. So for this three-year agreement, they feel like they're saving quite a bit of money.

Gardner: Colby, given that you had a very strong set of requirements around compatibility of being able to move from your on-premises infrastructure into a hybrid cloud model, what about Essex and Saugus? Were they also highly virtualized in their servers and workloads, and how did the compatibility from them work, moving toward your vCloud Hybrid Service set up?

Cousens: That wasn’t as much of an issue for us, because they weren't really virtualized yet at all. So part of the on-boarding process for them is virtualizing all of their servers and doing some virtual-desktop offerings, too. We got to start fresh with virtualization onsite for their services.

Gardner: I suppose you could look at that as another added value. You're actually modernizing them or guiding them into a more optimized IT infrastructure with a higher utilization. You're also helping them decide which of their services to get from the source, in this case the one that you are managing, versus perhaps a cloud provider that would not have the expertise in the customization that they're looking for.
Not only are we saving them money, but we're able to provide them services that they weren’t providing for themselves.

Pazos: Absolutely. Not only are we saving them money, but we're able to provide them services that they weren’t providing for themselves. A lot of these guys didn’t have offsite data replication.

They didn't have DR site capability. It was a pretty traditional small data center, a server room type set up in a building. Everything was a single point of failure. We're not only saving them money, but we're providing a higher level of service than they would have ordinarily been able to achieve.

Cousens: Again, in the case of Essex, the town manager is doing the IT work too. So besides the financial piece, he was having a hard time focusing on his IT stuff as well.

Pazos: I think it's important for anyone listening to the podcast that to understand that, a lot of these are small governments scattered around the state. The $75,000 that Saugus is saving this year is very big money in small town government.

In the case of Essex, quite often, people are doing double duty. They're the town accountant and the IT person, or the town administrator and the IT person. So they are also gaining from freeing themselves up to focus on their primary roles. In the town of Essex, he's able to focus on being the town administrator. That’s life in small town government in Massachusetts.

Gardner: As time goes on, it sounds like you want on-board other municipalities making them a good deal, where everybody feels like they're improving the situation at a good cost, compared to what they would have been paying otherwise. Over the next two or three years, what are you going to be looking for in terms of cloud capabilities?

There is, of course, the infrastructure, and you want the compatibility that we heard about. What about public-cloud services? Are there costs, compatibility issues, location or compliance issues? What do you think about when you look down the road towards the public-cloud components within a hybrid cloud deployment?

Competition important

Pazos: One of the important things is competition and, hopefully, as everything matures, that cost will come down. Again, for small town government, that’s extremely important. I think a lot these towns wouldn’t have this as an option, because the costs simply are just too much for them. So we would like to see to the cost come down.

Gardner: That would be a function of choice, of having a marketplace, right?

Pazos: Absolutely, yes, and with competition, hopefully that will come to be. One of the reasons that we invested the time into vCHS beta was that we really felt it was important to focus on that. We went through Beta 1 and 2, we would have done the Early Adopter Program (EAP) as well, except that we were in the midst of on-boarding Saugus.

We really committed some time to do Beta 1 and Beta 2, because I think the promise of the service offering was fantastic. We really felt like there was an opportunity there to play with a product that was extending our existing data center out into the cloud, and it blurred the lines between what was on-premises, and what was out in the cloud.
One of the primary reasons that we're looking at this is DR and business continuity.

Ideally, that's what we would like to see. When you're your managing a pool of resources, you're not really managing on-premises stuff and cloud stuff. We would like it be one large pool of resources that you are managing. I think that would be ideal.

Gardner: To circle back to some of your earlier reasons for going about this, you get that business continuity benefit. You know that your resources are going to be available, and if something goes wrong along the line within your organization, you have someone covering your back.

Pazos:  One of the primary reasons that we're looking at this is DR and business continuity. I need that diversity in being able to have different geographical zones, having somebody out in Nevada, California or wherever. That’s a diversity that is, otherwise, really impossible for me to get. So that's an important thing.

Gardner: How about some 20/20 hindsight, for those who are listening and reading about your story and experience. What might have you had done differently? Do you have any advice for those who might be also considering adopting a hybrid cloud or maybe even pursuing the notion of being either a consumer or provider of these managed services?

Pazos: When we look back at this, it’s surprising to me how we were very fortunate with timing. A lot of the things that we needed seem to have been rolling out at right around the time we needed it, which was fantastic for us.

What I would say is, whatever you've been waiting for, don’t wait. It's to the point where you just want to move ahead, and for some of this, you're going to have to adapt and sort of figure out as you go and as things evolve.

There were times early on, where we were frankly a little hesitant to do some things, because, to be honest with you, we spoke to a lot of folks in other cities and towns who just sort of cocked their heads a little bit and looked at us and said, "Really? Why are you doing this? Why would you want to do this? This seems sort of crazy." So there was a little bit of hesitation at times as we moved forward.

Solid idea

But the idea seemed solid, and we went ahead with it. That's the advice for folks -- don't really wait. Do your research, do your homework, understand what it is that you're getting yourself into, but certainly move ahead, because I really feel like this is the way we're going to be doing business. I know we are doing businesses right now, but I think a lot of folks are going to be doing business this way at some point in the near future.

Gardner: Colby what about you?

Cousens: Experimentation is key. A lot of the technologies are complicated to just look at or read about. Get in there and do an evaluation or download trial versions of different products, like we did with the Beta, with vCHS. You just have to try it out and play with it. Then you start to realize the true value as you apply it to actual use cases.
Experimentation is key. . . . Get in there and do an evaluation or download trial versions of different products.

Gardner: Well, great. I am afraid we will have to leave it there. We've been talking about how a small city outside of Boston has embraced the hybrid-cloud computing to host not only its own applications, but those of nearby communities as well.

We learned how the City of Melrose, Massachusetts, plans to reduce the cost of supporting its application down to zero by transitioning from high server virtualization to revenue making managed services built on a cloud capability, and they have been so far using VMware vCloud Hybrid Service as a beta user to experiment and perfect this approach.

Thank you very much to our guests, Jorge Pazos, the CIO, the Chief Information Officer at the City of Melrose. Thank you, Jorge.

Pazos: Thank you.

Gardner: And also, we have been here with Colby Cousens, the IT Systems Administrator there in Melrose. Thank you so much, Colby.

Cousens: Thank you also.

Gardner: This is Dana Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions. Thanks, also to all audience for joining, and don’t forget to come back next time.

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